Steppin’ Out of Babylon: Podcast-Radio Interviews by Sue Supriano

“Babylon” is the “isms” and “schisms” not only within the system but within ourselves. Let's organize, unify and step out of Babylon.



Sue Supriano’s Steppin’ Out of Babylon is a radio interview series covering a broad range of important issues in today’s world: peace and war, human and civil rights, communication, the media, the environment, food security, racism, globalization, immigration and matters of the spirit. Over 250 shows are available at this site!



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Richard Moore: Part 2

"Escaping the Matrix: How We the People Can Change the World" -- Moore talks about the second part of his book which focuses on how we can build a more localized, democratic society...

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TRT: 28:00
Date: 2007-01-21

Richard Moore is the author of Escaping the Matrix-- How We the People Can Change the World. Moore points out that civilization today is heading for disaster and direct engagement of citizens is crucial for our survival now. There is nothing we can do in our current system, ruled by elites, which is set up to divide us from one another and then allow us to choose which brand of elites will control us. We, the people, have to learn to work together and those who disagree need to learn how to solve problems together. Mostly, we don't know how to do that. Moore thinks that the technology of communication is very useful, but most people aren't exposed to it and training them would be most helpful. Moore has had experience that leads him to know that it's possible to take any twelve people from at random and put them together for three days and facilitate dialogue between them and at the end of the three days they'll have bonded, will know and respect each other, hear each other's valid concerns and can start working together to make collaborative decisions. He thinks it happens almost every time if people have a facilitator and stick with this process. For him it was a breakthrough concept and he was so excited he worked on how this could be used for helping us create an entire democratic society. His idea is that groups of twelve people go through this process and we keep doing this and the community gets an emerging sense of itself as community. He also believes that democratization is only possible on a small scale-no more than 3000 people. With dialogue at this small scale the people could make decisions which would be in the interest of the majority of the community members. In Moore's model there would then be agencies to carry out the people's wishes at that small scale but no government and no delegation of power. Since we haven't had democracy for 6000 years anyway this would be a huge improvement in creating real democratic economies and communities.

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Recorded: November 2006.

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December 26, 2015

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