Steppin’ Out of Babylon: Podcast-Radio Interviews by Sue Supriano

“Babylon” is the “isms” and “schisms” not only within the system but within ourselves. Let's organize, unify and step out of Babylon.



Sue Supriano’s Steppin’ Out of Babylon is a radio interview series covering a broad range of important issues in today’s world: peace and war, human and civil rights, communication, the media, the environment, food security, racism, globalization, immigration and matters of the spirit. Over 250 shows are available at this site!



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Vernon Masayesva

A member of the Hopi Tribal Council and Executive Director of the Black Mesa Trust discusses the importance of water and the Hopi predictions about our current time "out of balance" on earth.

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TRT: 25:27
Date: 2008-07-08

Masayesva relates the story of how the Hopi came long ago to Black Mesa, Arizona escaping an oppressive regime near the Teotihuacan (near Mexico City) area of Mexico. In what is now Arizona at Black Mesa they met, Masa --the Hopi equivalent to Jesus or Buddha-- who taught them how to live in a sustainable, peaceful way in harmony with the earth. Their agreements with Masa are inscribed on Prophecy Rock which claims that when they stray from these sustainable ways the world will come to an end with great suffering and purification. This is exactly what is currently happening today on a global scale.

Masayesva is part of the water coyote clan of the Hopi. He explains that our relationship to water is primary. In Hopi cosmology there have been four worlds. The first world was all water, thus we are all originally from the oceans. We are literally “gourds” of water. Black Mesa Trust was founded to protect water and land in the Hopi and Navajo regions of Arizona, which have been used and abused by Peabody Coal Company. Using these aquifers properly is the way the Hopi have traditionally survived growing food in the harsh environment of the desert. Black Mesa Trust’s main focus has been to protect the little water available to the Hopi from use by Peabody Coal Company. Now one of its missions is to educate people about the physical and spiritual importance of water as a key foundation of our common existence.

On the earth we are at the now 11th hour of the fourth world and still repeating the mistakes that the elders of the third world made. We know what right and wrong is, so we have a moral responsibility to use our special gifts as humans to create a better world, which the Hopi call the fifth world. We still have that opportunity. We have the energy and intelligence to combine science with mysticism, or the soul, to achieve this. This interview is a wonderful presentation showing the wisdom of the Hopi world view and the direct correlations and parallels between their views and prophecies and what we are experiencing in the world today.

Recorded at the Ecocities World Summit, April 2008, in San Francisco.


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December 26, 2015

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