Steppin’ Out of Babylon: Podcast-Radio Interviews by Sue Supriano

“Babylon” is the “isms” and “schisms” not only within the system but within ourselves. Let's organize, unify and step out of Babylon.



Sue Supriano’s Steppin’ Out of Babylon is a radio interview series covering a broad range of important issues in today’s world: peace and war, human and civil rights, communication, the media, the environment, food security, racism, globalization, immigration and matters of the spirit. Over 250 shows are available at this site!



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Alexis Zeigler

The author of Culture Change: Civil Liberty, Peak Oil and the End of Empire, speaks on the economy, ecology, culture and politics, proposing a deeper truth about our current civilization

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Date: 2009-04-06

Alexis Zeigler, author of Culture Change: Civil Liberty, Peak Oil and the End of Empire, takes a broad and integrated view of economy, ecology, culture and politics to propose a deeper truth about our current civilization. We have subscribed to a top-down “mental” view of societal change while for the most part ignoring the ecological and economic underpinnings that drive change from below. Zeigler uses the example of the women’s movement in this country, which has not been a linear trajectory towards liberation, but rather has had ups and downs which have been tied to the need for women’s economic contribution to society. He speaks about the efforts to control women’s sexuality by the anti-abortion movement as a symptom of increased restrictions.

Zeigler observes that civilizations generally achieve the peak of democracy at the height of their colonial power and he sees the shift to an economy not based on growth, which is crucial, also as a time of potential restrictions to civil liberties. We are in trouble because we do not have anyone formulating a coherent view of the future. We need to get “ahead of the curve” and take action to ameliorate the effects of global warming rather than react when it is too late. Many are in denial about peak oil, and even those who see a solution in green energy are blind to its high cost. (Zeigler addresses this issue in particular in his book Beyond Greenhype: Real Solutions for Global Warming, downloadable from his website, listed below). Zeigler advises localization of economics and power, reduction of energy consumption, empowered child-rearing and community use of resources.

Recorded in January, 2009


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