Steppin’ Out of Babylon: Podcast-Radio Interviews by Sue Supriano

“Babylon” is the “isms” and “schisms” not only within the system but within ourselves. Let's organize, unify and step out of Babylon.



Sue Supriano’s Steppin’ Out of Babylon is a radio interview series covering a broad range of important issues in today’s world: peace and war, human and civil rights, communication, the media, the environment, food security, racism, globalization, immigration and matters of the spirit. Over 250 shows are available at this site!



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Jan Spencer

Suburban Renewal, Permaculture and more in Eugene, Oregon

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TRT: 26:51
Date: 2009-09-28

Jan Spencer lives in Eugene, Oregon where he is an elder activist for more sustainable living as well as an artist . In this interview we talk about the transformation of his standard ranch style house with a medium sized yard into a permaculture paradise producing lots of food, biological richness and beauty. Spencer says “permaculture is a big toolbox designing interrelated systems that work with each other and enhance the positive functioning of the larger system. It can apply to any region from one’s backyard to the world. It takes in economics, the larger system, the environment and the person designing the system. It can change the whole world for the better and much of it is using our common sense which too often we’ve lost track of. Spencer rides a bike, leads tours of Eugene neighborhoods for others who he encourages to be on bikes as well, gives talks and works tirelessly to bring people’s attention to the “system” that tends not to be good for us and encourages others to make important changes in their lifestyles, private backyards, and thinking.

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Spencer points out that, in this system which, in his opinion, often encourages people to do the wrong thing, the word “sustainable” is too often used as a marketing mechanism to encourage people to do more of the “wrong thing”—as in “sustainable cars”. The “psychology of previous investment” makes people servants of the economy and making “dumb choices” like building more roads in a time of “peak oil” rather than a system, which has a mythology that actually works for the health of our planet and us. Cheap oil and cheap credit haven’t been in our interest really. Both are going away. To acknowledge these mythologies is important as well as to look at what we have now that will serve us well in the future and nurture those qualities and services that will be assets for our future. Neighborhood organizations and working locally are very very important for the future. He sees the goal of civilization to nurture and bring out the best people have in themselves. Downsizing our needs and localizing the meeting of our needs to be more local is crucial. Do we value ourselves enough to demand and participate in creating a way of life we can be proud of that’s peaceful and uplifting spiritually is a question that is core to the issue.


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December 26, 2015

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