Steppin’ Out of Babylon: Podcast-Radio Interviews by Sue Supriano

“Babylon” is the “isms” and “schisms” not only within the system but within ourselves. Let's organize, unify and step out of Babylon.



Sue Supriano’s Steppin’ Out of Babylon is a radio interview series covering a broad range of important issues in today’s world: peace and war, human and civil rights, communication, the media, the environment, food security, racism, globalization, immigration and matters of the spirit. Over 250 shows are available at this site!



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Michael Abelman

Urban Agriculture: Real Food and the People Who Grow It

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TRT: 27:31
Date: 2005-12-19

Michael Abelman is a farmer, educator, founder and the executive director of the Center for Urban Agriculture at Fairview Gardens, Ca.. Abelman is also author/photographer of From the Good Earth, On Good Land and Fields of Plenty: A Farmer's Journey in Search of Real Food and the People Who Grow It. He is also the subject of the award-winning PBS national broadcast Beyond Organic.

Abelman talks about the huge affect that the industrial age has had on the earth. We might not think that farming is the industry that uses possibly the most oil-- in terms of fertilizer, processing soil and plants, moving the food, and on and on. And organic food uses just as much oil since it too is shipped long distances. It is also the case that, due to industrial agriculture, the minerals have been taken out of the soil and the soil is incredibly depleted thus making the food much of the population eats extremely lacking in nutritional value. Soil is the basis for life in many ways and sustainabilty means keeping in balance what is taken out of the soil with what is returned. This is not what's been happening for the most part in the industrial world. Since cheap oil is soon to end, thus changing dramatically much of what we're used to in the industrial world, it is extremely important that we compost and improve our soil everywhere from the city to rural areas.

He discusses the options available for changing our ways such as gray water and compost toilets and the wonderful ways to grow a lot of food in urban areas. There is the example of using the heat from an urban cleaning establishment to heat the green house on the roof of the city building in the winter. There are many great and good aspects of dry farming with very little, if any, water. However, government agencies often make these totally sensible approaches more difficult rather than easy. Abelman says about sustainability and "organic" that it means much more than just eliminating toxins (though, obviously, this is crucial!) and it builds community which is so important for our health, well-being and survival.


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December 26, 2015

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Sue, who lived an amazing life from 1938 - 2015.